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Dr. William Davis is a cardiologist and New York Times #1 bestselling author of the Wheat Belly book series, Undoctored, and of the new book Super Gut.

Dr. Davis believes that given the right information and tools, magnificent health is achievable without prescription drugs and without medical procedures.

Instead, what you need are the basic principles of nutrition. With those, you can address common nutrient deficiencies and a disrupted gut microbiome.

Dr. Davis is the Medical Director and founder of the Undoctored program including the Undoctored Inner Circle.

He is also a podcast host of the Defiant Health Radio podcast where he talks about the gut microbiome and other health topics.

Memorable Quotes:

  • “In other words, we’re exposed almost daily to things that disrupt the microbiome. And there’s two major consequences. One is we’ve lost important species. We’ve lost some unimportant species, too. So that doesn’t make a big difference, but we’ve lost very important species that are crucial for human health.”
  • “But I think you and I, your listeners, have the power to achieve astounding endpoints and health by putting the microbiome to work in ways that are unfolding now.”
  • “If you want this to be your year, don’t sit on the couch and wait for it. Go out. Make a change. Smile more. Be excited. Do new things like grow some probiotics. Throw away clutter, unfollow negative people on social media. Go to bed early. Wake up early. Don’t gossip. Show more gratitude. Do things that challenge you and be brave.”

What You’ll Learn:

The gut microbiome is critical to reversing chronic health problems and optimizing your overall health.

This Episode Includes:

  • Robin shares how Dr. Davis healed her gallbladder issue nearly a decade ago.
  • Davis reflects on his inspiration for his new book “Super Gut.”
  • According to Dr. Davis, people who followed his Wheat Belly program were healed most of the way, but not all the way.
  • Super Gut is his response to lead people to optimal health.
  • The gut microbiome is key to health but modern-day living has diminished many necessary microbes.
  • Antibiotics, environmental toxins, and even unhealthy food cause a disruption in the gut microbiome.
  • Fermented food has the ability to add beneficial microbes back into the gut.
  • Davis talks about how most doctors will ignore SIBO (small intestinal bacteria overgrowth), even though it is treatable.
  • Most modern chronic diseases have a root cause in the gut microbiome.
  • Davis shares his opinion on formula versus breastmilk and encourages women to feed their baby breastmilk.
  • Robin emphasizes the importance of optimizing your health one step at a time.

Three Takeaways from Today’s Episode:

  • Get the new book “Super Gut” by Dr. William Davis.
  • Join Dr. Michelle Robin on her journey to a healthy gut by following the program laid out by Dr. Davis in Super Gut.
  • Add more fermented food to your diet like kimchi, sauerkraut, or kefir.

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Dr. Robin

Welcome back to Small Changes, Big Shift, Building Rhythm and Resilience. And I’m delighted today to be sharing Dr. William Davis with all of you. Before I tell you a little bit more about him, I want to tell you how much he’s impacted my life. We’ve been friends now for over a decade. He was actually in my interview for my second book, the E-Factor Engage, Energized and Rich, which came out in 2012.

So that’s how come I know that it’s been over a decade and he profoundly changed my life. And sometimes you don’t realize people are changing your life until you continue to look down the road. And I have clients that come in and they have that horrible kind of like gallbladder pain. And as a wellness professional, I had that gallbladder pain for several years. And when I finally gave up Wheat 100%, it changed my life.

I forgot even to have the pain until people come in and say, oh, I have this pain. I’m like, oh, wait a minute. I used to have that pain, or at least a decade ago where I totally got rid of it. So Dr. William Davis is a cardiologist. He’s the New York Times bestselling author of Wheat Belly book series, Undoctored, and the new book coming out February 1. The new book, Supergut.

Dr. Davis believes that given the right information and tools, magnificent Health not just good, but magnificent Health is achievable without prescription drugs and without medical procedures. He is the medical director and founder of the Undoctored program, including the Undoctored Inner Circle.

Dr. Davis is also the podcast host of the Defiant Health Radio podcast, where he talks all about the gut, microbiome and other health topics. And I can’t think of a better topic to talk about, especially as we are coming through this whole COVID life. Dr. Davis, thanks for everything you’ve done in my world, but also into the world to make us a better community.

Dr. Davis

Thanks for saying so, Michelle. I’m glad we’re back.

Dr. Robin

Talk about Supergut, a new book. What made you write this book.

Dr. Davis

Well, you know, as you recall, people, I had thousands and thousands of people following the WheatBelly/Undocumented program, which boils down to essentially eating no wheat or grains. This thing changed by agribusiness, addressing nutrients that are missing from modern life, like vitamin D and magnesium.

And people did that and they took basic efforts at recreating a healthy microbiome that modern people have disrupted with antibiotics, et cetera. And so people did all those things and they had great results. Some would lose, say, 57lbs. Their rheumatoid arthritis would be much better. Their hemoglobin a one, C would drop. Type two diabetes would often drop dramatically their blood sugars. So people had wonderful results. But not everybody did. Or some people plateaued. For instance, some would say, yeah, I lost 57lbs, but I have another 40 to go and I’m stuck. I’m plateaued. Or my hemoglobin a one c that measure of blood sugar dropped from 11.7%, which is horrible, to 5.9%. Much better. I’m off the insulin, I’m off the bieta injections. I’m stuck metformin and I’m stuck. I can’t get down lower.

In other words, there were residual problems. And so I looked for what is keeping these people from having 100% success. I looked at the microbiome, and Michelle, it was astounding once you start to look for solutions from the microbiome, you find that virtually everybody has massively disrupted their microbiome.

That’s the dark side. The good side is there’s a ton of things you can do. Unfortunately, as you know, it’s not coming to people through their practitioners, through their mainstream practitioners, their primary care doctors, they’re gastroenterologists. Yet there’s a world of things people can do.

Dr. Robin

What I love about you is you keep kind of digging underneath what’s under the hole, what’s causing it. And so you did this when you looked at grains and wheat, and then now you’re looking at the biome. Talk to me. What are the causes that disrupt the gut? What are the top maybe top four or five. And I know I don’t want to steal the books. Thunder. This is an excellent book. Thanks for the advanced copy to prepare for this interview.

Dr. Davis

So, as you know, there’s a sea of things we swim in that have disrupted the microbiome. So antibiotics are a biggie, most of us, by age 40, have taken 30 courses of antibiotics. So huge exposure, and you never really recover from even a single course. There’s chlorinated drinking water that disrupts the intestinal barrier, the mucus barrier, which in turn translates into change microbes.

There’s other drugs like stomach acid blocking drugs like proliferics, major disruptions. There are common things like emulsifying agents in ice cream and salad dressing that disrupt the microbiome. There are the non steroid anti inflammatory drugs, which are very common. Ibuprofen toxin, massive disruption.

In other words, we’re exposed almost daily to things that disrupt the microbiome. And there’s two major consequences. One is we’ve lost important species. We’ve lost some unimportant species, too. So that doesn’t make a big difference, but we’ve lost very important species that are crucial for human health.

And in their place, unhealthy microbes have proliferated. These are largely stool microbes like E. Coli and Klebsiella and Shigella. They have proliferated. And in many people, by my estimation, one in three Americans now has a loud proliferation of these stool based microbes that have ascended up from the colon where they’re supposed to stay, and then send it up into the Ilium duodename and stomach, a situation that’s been labeled small intestinal, bacterial overgrowth or SIBO.

And by my estimation, one in three people had it. 100 million people is an epidemic of unprecedented proportions. And by the way, one of the things that really drove me to really talk about this is what it’s called the air device, a ire, and it measures hydrogen gas in the breath. It talks to your smartphone and gives you a level of the hydrogen gas. Humans don’t produce hydrogen gas, but microbes do. And you can use this device to map out where bacteria are. You don’t need that to prove you have SIBO, but it’s a way to confirm it if you’re interested in confirming it. But Michelle, what struck me is as I have hundreds and thousands of people now testing their breath for hydrogen gas. It’s everywhere. It’s the exception who tests negative.

That shocked me because I thought this CBO problem, this proliferation of microbes, was an unusual thing. I thought it was exceptional. No, it’s the rule. But if you recognize and identify, there are steps you can take to feed it back.

Dr. Robin

Well, I feel kind of good. I’m knocking on wood that I have not taken any antibiotics for 40 years, which is great. And I’ve done antacids, which is also great. It’s interesting. I was just recently with some of my friends with the Salvation Army, and one of the guys said that one of the takeaways from my talk a few months ago, I was with him again, was chewing his food because he was living on Tums.

And so there’s so many little basic things you can do. So how do we build a super gut? What are a couple of steps that you can recommend? And once again, I really highly recommend you all get the book that comes out on February 1. It’ll kind of walk you through the steps that you can kind of rebuild your life. What a perfect time to rebuild it as we go into spring and we kind of come out of this COVID phase we’re in.

Dr. Davis

So one of the things that we do is we add back microbes. And people sometimes they say, oh, too many microbes is overwhelming. So I tell them, it’s like going to a restaurant. If you go to a restaurant and the waitress hands you a menu, you don’t freak out and say, I can’t order all these appetizers and main dishes and desserts. You pick and choose the ones. You want the same thing here.

If you want smoother skin with reduced skin wrinkles, get this microbe. If you want reduced joint pain from arthritis, get that microbe. If you want a newborn child to have fewer bowel movements, less colic, a deeper sleep, sleep in the night and have less asthma, type one diabetes, autoimmune disease, and have a higher IQ, get this microbe. In other words, you can essentially order up the effects you want.

My favorite one that people talk about a lot is Lactobacillus reuteri R-E-U-T-E-R-I. After the German scientists discover Gerhard Reuter. This microbe has been lost by 96% of us, yet it’s present, by the way, in Indigenous populations. So whenever that’s been looked at, they have it. These primitive people, unexposed antibiotics and other things have this microbe, as do dogs, squirrels, raccoons.

In other words, it’s present in all mammals except modern humans, suggesting this thing plays a critical role in mammalian health. What we do is we restore it by making a yogurt. It doesn’t have to be yogurt, doesn’t have to be dairy. It could be some other fermented food, but dairy happens to be a very forgiving fermentation medium. If you buy yogurt from the store, it’s fermented with generally two microbes, two very hohum, boring microbes, and it’s fermented for 4 hours.

Now, you may recall that bacteria. There’s no mummy and Daddy bacteria, right? There’s no sexual reproduction. It’s asexual reproduction. So one bacteria becomes two, two becomes four, while Roy doubles every 3 hours. So if you were to ferment it for 4 hours, you got nothing. Some yogurt makers will ferment for 12 hours. You still got nothing. So we ferment for 36 hours, and we performed something called flow cytometry on the yogurts, and we get something like 250 to 260,000,000,000 bacteria per half cup serving.

So that’s, I believe why we get this outsized effect. So you consume this yogurt, this rotori yogurt, and what it does, it causes your brain to release oxytocin, the hormone oxytocin hormone of love and empathy. So people eat this yoga and they say, I like my partner better, I like my family better, I like my coworkers better. I’m no longer nervous when I go to an office party.

I don’t have that social anxiety. And there’s a restoration of youthful muscle mass and strength. There’s preservation of bone density, deeper sleep. I’m a chronic Insomniac, Michelle. I now sleep 9 hours straight through vivid, colorful kidlike dreams. It suppresses appetite. The ladies love it because it’s smooth skin wrinkles, because there’s an explosion of dermal collagen.

So a lot of ladies combine this with collagen hydrolysate, and they get a really big effect in smoothing their skin. That’s one microbe, Michelle. That’s one microbe that would restore and there’s a whole list of microbes you can replace.

If you want better alertness and creativity, get this microbe. If you want reduced anxiety, get this microbe. But then the other part of this, of course, is beating back those unhealthy microbes. And so, unfortunately, as you know, my colleagues, mainstream MDS, don’t know anything about this or they make fun of you.

If I were to go to my primary care and say, Doc, I think I have SIBO, they say, no, you don’t, don’t. You’re fine. Did you consult Dr. Google again? Right at the very most, you go to a gastroenterologist and he’ll say, Michelle, let’s do an endoscopy and colonoscopy. You do that and they say, Good news, you don’t have an ulcer, you don’t have colon cancer. Goodbye. You say, well, what about my question about SIBO? They say, you don’t have it. There’s nothing wrong with you. I didn’t see anything. Did you consult Doctor Google or a minority will prescribe an antibiotic library but not tell you how you got it, not tell you how to prevent recurrences, which are very common.

And so identifying it or recognizing it and then dealing with it is something best done on your own, because the doctor, in most cases, mainstream doctors, the integrated Ducks like you, are way ahead. They’ve known about intestinal leakingness and all these kinds of phenomena for a long time, but the science is now caught up.

We know with confidence these are real phenomena. One of the things I’ve been doing is if you take a probiotic that is a haphazard collection of microbes thought to be beneficial, it does not beat back SIBO. The 30ft of microbes in your GI tract. It might reduce bloating, maybe cut back on the diarrhea, but it really won’t get rid of the SIBO, the proliferated unhealthy stool microbes.

So I asked a different set of questions. I asked, well, what if we chose microbes, Michelle? What if we chose microbes that colonize the upper GI tract? That’s where SIBO occurs. And what if we chose microbes that produce what are called bacteriosins? These are natural antibiotics, effective, again, produced by beneficial species, effective against the species of SIBO like E. Coli.

So I put together three of them, a strain of Lactobacillus gastride, which is, by the way, a bacteria powerhouse up to seven bacteria, Lactobacillus rotori, which usually produces four bacteria and a species of Bacillus coagulates. We co ferment a yogurt out of this. It’s delicious, tastes great. You eat this. And so far, this is preliminary.

But out of 30 people, 90% have normalized their breath hydrogen gas with what I call it SIBO yogurt. Now, we need to examine that in a formal trial. We have not done that yet, but I think we have a key using yogurts, Michelle, to beat back SIBO. So is anybody worse? Nobody gets worse. Sometimes you have to go longer. So, as you know, sometimes, especially if there’s fungal overgrowth involved, you may have to go two or three months. And there is this problem with recurrence, which is a whole conversation of its own. What to do to prevent recurrence?

One of the things we do to prevent recurrence is to make sure that routerize part of your formula because of that upper GI colonizing effect as well as the production of bacteria since the CBD yogurt we use for four weeks and most will convert negative on their H two gas measurements or reversal of whatever phenomenon was blaming on their SIBO, whether it’s psoriasis or separate or rosacea or rheumatoid arthritis or depression, biggie or other problem that often goes away. But some people do have to go longer.

Dr. Robin

What do you think about you probably heard of that company Biome, some of the companies that are actually doing a stool sample and making you a precision pre and probiotic. What are your thoughts heading in the right direction, way out of base?

Dr. Davis

Yeah, they are helpful. The least helpful is Biome, unfortunately, because one of the things they don’t do is quantify give you the relative quantities. In other words, if you have a microbe identified, you want to know roughly how much is there. So if they say you have acromancium, you sensitive film, how much do you have? Because the amount really matters. If they tell you have clebsiella, which is a nasty microbe, you want to know how much do you have to take steps to reduce it?

And so, Unfortunately, I know the founder and they’ve done a great job. I know they’re chief scientists. They’re trying to do a good job. Unfortunately, they failed to quantify the relative percent. So there’s a number of these stool testing platforms. The best one is Gutzoomer. I have no relationship. I have no reason to tell people that it’s expensive. Unfortunately. It’s like $700.

Genova has a pretty good one. The Gifs is pretty good. They’re evolving. One of the problems with these platforms is they’re largely only tell you the genius, not the species nor the strain. So genius genius is kind of like saying, oh, Michelle, you’ve got a skin rash. You say, what kind of skin rash? It’s a skin rash.

Well, in other words, it’s too generic. So they only tell you what the genus is. They don’t tell you what the species. One of the things this is very tedious and forgive me, you have to do in the world of microbes is pay attention to strains.

To illustrate, my favorite illustration is you and I have E. Coli. Your listeners have E. Coli in our guts. What if you ate lettuce contaminated by kalmanor with E. Coli, where you can die of that E. Coli. So same species, E. Coli, different strains. So strain can actually make a life death difference. Unfortunately, you buy a commercial probiotic most of the time. Strain is not even designated. So you have no idea.

So, for instance, lack of a cellularimnosis the GG strain is very good evidence that it shortens the duration of diarrhea after an antibiotic. And other strains of Ramnosis do not. Well, if you buy your probiotic and it says Lactose ramnosis, no strain specified. It probably does not help you with that specific issue. And so the manufacturer is getting better about this specifying strength. Unfortunately, not all.

Most stool testing platforms do not specify species nor strain. They’re getting better. There’s some services like the Gut Zoomer, another company called Thryve, that does specify down to strain. So it does help. And those two companies, the Gut Zoomer and the Thryve, do tell you how much of each microbe you have. So you know if it’s an issue or not.

Dr. Robin

Well, you know, it’s in full defense. I know we’ve talked about the biome. It’s been getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and it sounds like you just blown it up to a whole other level, which is kind of what you like to do.

Dr. Davis

Michelle. It is so powerful. I do not like the pharmaceutical industry. I think they’re bullies. I think they’re crooks. I think they try to infiltrate all our lives. And now, as you know, most of us are no longer welcome in big media because of the influence of Big Pharma and the rich revenues they bring through a direct consumer drug advertising. And so I foresee a time not that far away where we’re going to be saying things like this. If you have Parkinson’s disease, do this for your microbiome. If you have obesity and type two diabetes, do this.

Not to say there aren’t other things like diet and specific nutrients that are also valuable. But I think we’re getting to a point where the efforts at the microbiome, whether microbes or non microbial components, that’s one of my special interests. It’s combining microbes with non microbial components to give you outsized health effects.

I think we’re getting to that point. Unfortunately, Big Pharma is very smart and they have lots and lots of money, and they’re doing things like CRISPR casts, genetic manipulation, and taking advantage of call postbiotics. These are the products of microbes because we can’t patent naturally occurring biological creatures. So if I like Michelle Robin, I can’t patent her. But if I genetically modify you, I could patent you.

So they’re very busy at genetically modifying microbes so that they can patent them because they want to. In other words, if you’re a Big Pharma, you can’t be bothered charging $20 for something. You want to charge $10,000 per month for your agent. So you want to be able to patent protect all your products. And that’s what they’re busy doing.

But I think you and I, your listeners, have the power to achieve astounding endpoints and health by putting the microbiome to work in ways that are unfolding now

Dr. Robin

With your several decades in medicine. Okay, to those listening, I’m not talking to somebody who’s new at this and somebody who’s willing to kind of go out on a limb at the risk of your own professional life, I’m going to say, is there a condition that does not start in the gut when you think about mental health and Parkinson’s and autoimmune diseases, pain. Is there any condition that you think of at this time that does not start in the gut besides trauma? If you have a major traumatic event, that’s one thing. But just across the board.

Dr. Davis

Michelle, I think that virtually all modern chronic diseases. So you’re right. Not trauma, not injury, not dengue fever and malaria, but the common chronic conditions we’re all familiar with ulcerative colitis, Crohn’s disease, colon cancer, constipation, headaches, migraine headaches, depression, Parkinson’s disease, Lou Gehrig’s disease, Alzheimer’s dementia, type two diabetes, hypertension, coronary disease, atrial fibrillation.

I think virtually every condition has to be reexamined in light of a contribution, either the cause or worsening effect of the microbiome. That’s the bad part. The good part is if you recognize, for instance, that your Parkinson’s disease has a microbiome contribution, you have enormous opportunity to make a change that is, by the way, proven to be true.

Parkinson’s disease may not be entirely a microbiome disease, but it is largely a disease of a disrupted microbiome. And that’s leading to in fact, there’s a woman named Martha Carlin. She and microbiologist Dr. Rana started a company called Biota Quest. She did this number of years ago because her husband, who she cared deeply about, developed Parkinson’s disease. She saw him at age 44, deteriorating. And, of course, the drugs of the conventional medical world had drugs and procedures that actually worked, then maybe we can’t outdo them. But their drugs do not work. L DOPA and the other drugs, all they do is reduce some of the symptoms, like the tremor, but it does not slow or stop the progression of the disease.

The disease continues to go forward. Well, Martha and her team have identified two microbes, Lucanostoch Mesenterides. Despite the mouthful of a name, it’s a microbe you find in Kimchi and Fermented Sauerkraut and a strain of Lactobacillus Plantera consume sugars in the gut. They consume sucrose glucose and fructose and produce metatol out of it.

And now there’s preliminary evidence that mental does, which we can’t process. We don’t have the enzymes to digest it, but it does penetrate to the brain and it dissolves the Alpha synduclean protein of Parkinson’s disease.

So they’re launching a clinical trial to show whether these microbes and by the way, because a nice happy side effect of these microbes is they consume sugar. It actually reduces blood sugar. And we did it in 20 people in my audience. And these are non diabetics. They reduce their fasting glucose by ten milligrams per deciliter, which is huge. It doesn’t sound like a lot, but that’s the magnitude of effect of a prescription drug. We’re doing it with microbes.

Dr. Robin

So fun. Well, I’m excited for 2022, as I am going to dive into I’m going to do your program to reset my gut. Obviously, I’m a human being living on this Earth, so I probably need I worked at it, but I do like a few things like French fries and sugar. So I’ll continue to minimize those at a deeper level and start to close. Is there anything else that you want to share with our audience besides get the book and actually shift your life? What would you like to share? We got so much knowledge.

Dr. Davis

I really mean it when I say treat this like going to a restaurant and being handed a menu. Don’t get overwhelmed. You don’t have to fix the entire microbiome starting today. But you can take basic steps to restore things and order up the effect you want. And these things really do work.

So the Rotary is one Biggie I now sleep really 9 hours a night. I used to sleep 4 hours a night and struggled to stay asleep, waking up at two in the morning watching TV and reading books. And I sleep like a baby now. When I first began roderi, I’m going to be 65 this summer, but I gained 13lbs of muscle in three weeks and my strength went through the roof. I hate going to the gym. I go once a week, maybe 15 minutes prepandemic, but my ability to increase handle weight at the gym went up about 50%.

It was a huge effect, handling weights and having strength that I had when I was last, about 2020 years old. The Bifidobacterium infantis is worth knowing a lot about, because that is the microbe that most infants have lost. Because you likely know that moms and babies at the time of birth all get antibiotics. They all get antibiotics. Like the baby gets an antibiotic to prevent beta streptococcal infection. And so even if mom gave the baby Bifida Petroleum fantasy, this crucial microbe for infant growth, it’s often lost.

And so 90% of infants don’t have it. If you restore it, the baby grows has better neurodevelopment, it grows faster, its head circumference is greater, its IQ later on in life is higher, they’re less likely to have colic, they are more likely to sleep through the night, they take more naps, they have half as many bowel movements, therefore, half as many diaper changes for mom and dad. I mean, less diaper changes, better sleep for mom and dad and baby. And then later in life, less asthma, less autumn disease and higher IQ. That’s the power of the microbiome. Now I tell ladies, that’s great.

The company that commercializes is called A Vivo EV Ivo, and the strain is Bifidobacterine infantis EVC one. But I tell Moms, that’s all fine. Yeah, give your baby this microbe go a step further. When you’re pregnant, make yogurt with this microbe. Mom eats it, she populates her birth canal and breast tissue.

That’s one of the mysteries that if you take something orally, if you have a woman who’s got repetitive candidate of Aginitis, for instance, and she takes a microbe like the RC 14 strand of Lactobacillus rotori, it will colonize the virtual tract. How there’s no connection between the GI tract and the vagina or the prostate or breast tissue or the brain. But somehow the semipermeable organ called the GI tract allows healthy microbes to populate other places. So mom can take the yogurt, Jack up the numbers by making the yogurt like we do for long fermentation.

She can colonize her birth canal and her breast tissue, and she can provide bifida bacteria inflammation to her baby the way it was supposed to be. Mum can still give it to mixed in breast milk. And by the way, it’s also highlighted the fact that breast milk must be a part of a baby’s upbringing.

Formula is a ridiculous failure. It’s a horrible substitute for human breast milk. And one of the things that babies can’t do on their own is the jest, so called human milk oligosaccharides in breast milk. And there’s no human milk oligosaccharides in formula, as well as other things are not present in formula. That’s why people, children who are formula fed have long term health deficits. But the infantis allows the baby to consume and digest the human milk oligosaccharides, which humans can’t digest on their own. They require microbes to digest those oligosaccharides. And so restoring infantis, which comes to dominate the infantile microbiome allows that baby to consume and digest human milk.

Olive, saccharides, they develop better, they’re healthier. And even later on in life, they’re healthier.

Dr. Robin

Well, I’m sure my listeners are going, Holy Moly, where do I start? So I’m right there with you. And I’ve been on this journey for 40 years. But I think the thing is you just take the next step. And Dr. Davis’s book, Super gut, has laid it out for you. So take a deep breath, order the book. If you need help, reach out to me. Let’s kind of do this together. I plan on talking to you in ten years when I’m your age, Dr. Davis, and knowing how you’ve also taken my health to another level, to one thing. In this listing, I’m talking to Doctor William Davis, who is the author of Wheat Belly book totally transformed my health, my life.

I know people are doing those ten year pictures back and forth, but you go back to 2012 years when I totally gave up Wheat. I’ve added a tiny bit indication now, but I feel like I can handle it, but I want to know it transform my health. Pain, gut, etc. For gallbladder, I kept my gallbladder. Thank you, Dr. Davis. So I’m going to invite all of you to walk this journey with me and just take the next step. There’s little things you can do. Feel free to follow Dr. Davis on his social media channels as well.

Dr. Davis, as we wrap up. First of all, thank you for always saying yes. And Congratulations on a revolutionary book. Do you have a favorite song, book or quote that’s inspiring you in 2022?

Dr. Davis

Boy, I listen almost exclusively far to European and Brazilian music, so I’m not sure it’d be much appealed to your listeners who love songs. So here’s something. Can I tell you a quick story? \

Dr. Robin


Dr. Davis

So I’ve been taking this Rotary yogurt, among other things, I take Lactobacillus brevis yogurt for increased mental clarity and boosted mood because it produces something called phenylethylamine, which boosts your mood and is a nootropic. Makes a little smarter, more clever as well as a neurotrophic.

Makes your brain a little healthier because it causes you to release BDNF, brain derived neurotrophic factor. But taking the Rotary, I got a super duper, high strength Rotary from a microbiology friend of mine. Huge numbers. I made it and tasted the same as the other Rotary yogurt. But one night. So remember, the Rotary causes oxytocin to be released, the hormone of love and empathy. So I ate the yogurt. And that night, I slept deeply. But I had a dream and I saw this woman who was a stranger. I didn’t recognize her, and I saw her in Crystal clarity. I saw her hair. I saw her eye color. I saw her skin and big smile. She introduced herself to me, giving her full name, which I’ve never experienced before in a dream, someone giving me their full name. And I felt overwhelming affection for this woman. I woke up and into daylight hours. I continued to have deep affection, deep love for this imaginary woman that lasted for hours. Michelle was intoxicating because I haven’t had that feeling for real many years. And it wasn’t just a nice dream. It was fun.

No, it was overpowering. It was overwhelming. Imagine we could do that at will. We can turn on love and affection at will. If you’re married, let’s say, 40 years, and you want to re Kindle, imagine doing that. I’m still working on the exact formula to turn it on. Well, it seems to happen only sporadically, but it was so overpowering. But it was, I think, a vivid illustration of the power in this case of oxytocin and of the microbes rear store.

Dr. Robin

That’s really great. We did a lot of stuff on our Kindness campaign and talked about oxytocin, so our listeners know about that neurotransmitter. And so we’re going to have to have a follow up conversation. Maybe I’ll bring you back after I’ve done the program. Does that sound good? Great. Stop talking about it. No. Then I can actually share my own experience. So here’s my quote for the day. And thanks again for tuning into small changes, big shifts. Give a shout out to our sponsors. Community America Credit Union in Advent Health. We appreciate how you’re supporting well being in our community. Here’s my quote. It’s by Unknown.

If you want this to be your year, don’t sit on the couch and wait for it. Go out. Make a change. Smile more. Be excited. Do new things like grow some probiotics. Throw away clutter, unfollow negative people on social media. Go to bed early. Wake up early. Don’t gossip. Show more gratitude. Do things that challenge you and be brave.

Well, I’m going to tell you doing this program is going to challenge me a little bit so I can imagine it’s going to challenge you. But hey let’s do this together. Let’s shift what’s happening in our own families and our own wellbeing as Dr. Davis mentioned it could help our autoimmune conditions, our mental health, our longevity, our dementia which is a horrible disease for a lot of people as well as our blood sugar. So hey blessings to all of you. Dr. Davis, thanks again for joining me.

Dr. Davis

Thank you Michelle.

Dr. Robin

Thanks for listening and now it’s your turn turn hope into action by implementing one thing you learned from this episode. I believe if you change one thing a month for the next twelve months it will change your life forever. Be sure to subscribe so you can get catch new episodes each week. Visit the website for the show notes and don’t forget to leave a rating or comment. Blessings to you.

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